Remedies and Reason

Wellbeing is a general term that has increasingly entered our everyday conversations. This exhibition explores a deeper, more personal view of what wellbeing means to individuals, with intent to serve as a reminder that we all have our own view of what it means to be well.

Working with participants of the Community Learning Project (CLiP), the West Indian Senior Citizens Leicester Ageing Together Project and members of the public to understand their impressions of wellbeing and mental health; following one-to-one interviewing, Emma visually portrayed their perceptions of mental wellbeing through the medium of body art.

The exhibition was co-ordinated by Pamela Campbell-Morris, and funded by the University of Leicester’s ‘Health Matters’ community engagement project, thanks to the generosity of the Edith Murphy Foundation.
Recognising the differing health needs of Leicester’s diverse population, ‘Health Matters’ runs community-specific campaigns of current and important health issues under the banner of ‘Wellbeing Matters’. A major focus lies in supporting better mental health and wellbeing by providing a space for open dialogue and helping to reduce stigma.

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Change the cycle
Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Joanne Alexander
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Joanne

Emma: So if you can just describe yourself
Joanne: Well I’m very bubbly, I am a people’s person, I am an organiser. I see myself as a leader, I’m a community person, I like to put on events, I am passionate about young people, I run my own business it’s called J1 arts academy so I do dance, drama, Acro and I just love, you know, making a positive change.

E: Lovely, can you introduce yourself as well like your name, age, where you live and all these kind of details about your life?
J: Right okay, my name is Joanne Alexander, I am 40 years old, I am from the Belgrave area although I do a lot of work in the Highfields community, St Matthews. I work with young people, I do a lot of work on the side, I do a lot of voluntary work, I do fundraising as well, I’ve raised quite a bit of money for wishes for kids, and like I said, I just love being a part of community and working with young people and trying to help them get off the streets and do something constructive with their lives.

E: Fantastic, the project is around wellbeing and why it matters, so why does it matter?
J: Okay well, health and wellbeing I think it really matters because nowadays you see a lot of people they go out, they eat out a lot. When I was younger we never used to go out for meals, it used to be all home cooked food, vegetables all that kind of stuff. But my children everything’s like “oh mum can we go out and eat or can we order in heavenly desserts.” It’s all about eating out but I do think a lot of young people need to get involved in keeping fit, whether it’s through dance, whether it’s through swimming, even just walking. The sad thing about it is I work with young people, like I mentioned before, and I think there’s a big thing about image. So through media it’s about looking a certain way on Instagram, you get young people, it’s all about makeup and being slim, you know that kind of stuff. Then you’ll get the young people trying to get slim the wrong way so maybe starving themselves. I’ve even heard that young people have taken drugs to try and keep slim. I just think if you can get them involved in something positive like doing dance or, you know, being somebody that can support them when they are losing weight in a healthy way, I think that’s very good. I think to be fair, even myself,
when I was young I can’t remember drinking water so water to me is a big thing at the moment, I’m taking water to work, sitting at my desk, I’m drinking water all day, every day and I feel really good for it . Water is everywhere, and I just think it’s beautiful, the colour of it,
it is very like with me if I’m laying in my bed and I can hear it’s raining, for me it’s like, just lay there and it makes me feel really relaxed and I just love water. Like I said before, I’ve only just started drinking water because I never used to drink it as a child and the more I drink the more I feel better in myself, it makes me feel healthier and I do know its good for your skin, its good for your hair, it’s good for growth, it’s good for your mind, your brain, your organs, it’s good for everything so I just think encouraging young people and everybody around me that water is very good for you, so you know, drink water!
E: That’s cool

E: In terms of what wellbeing is, what is it to you?
J: Wellbeing is having a healthy mind, body and soul. It’s not just about eating healthy. I think if your mind is in a good place then everything else seems to follow, but sometimes you can be eating healthy but your mind isn’t in a good place, you could be suffering through like depression, you know that kind of thing, and it can bring you down, so I just think for me the mind plays a big part.

E: And in terms of why it matters so much, what else is important?
J: I think, it’s really important because the world right now is not a good place, and I think if everybody works towards good wellbeing, then it has an effect on other people, so it’s just trying to make the world a better place.

E: Do you think people think the worlds not a good place because, like you say, the busyness of our lives now, how everything is instant, do you think it’s a bit about the way we’re living and how that’s affecting your health in general?
J: Yes definitely, I think the way we’re living right now it plays a very big part because basically, like I said before, it’s all about what people see around them, it’s all about image, it’s all about what people can get living out of their means. It’s really sad to be fair, people need to, you know, look at the main things that should make people happy, like your family, just having a roof over your head, having food to eat, because there are a lot of people out there that don’t have that. And I think everything is just getting twisted, so I think if more people see what we’re doing at this fashion show, they might look at things in a different light.

E: Yeah, if we all just paused a little bit and appreciated things a bit more. What do you think would change that?
J: I think a lot of people around me have been affected by different things, like family backgrounds and parents that are on drugs, family members who have had breakdowns, alcohol all that kind of stuff, and it’s like when you get to a certain age… it’s like you can either go down the same path or you can change the cycle.
And there’s many ways to change the cycle, as in you’ve got to go out there and try to get support and you know, find someone to help you through it. Not necessarily that you’ve got to go look for it, but there are sources out there and there are places out there that support you through that. I do know that a lot of black people suffer with mental health and I just think it’s nice that there are places for them to go where they can probably get that support. But you know I’m always one of those people that see someone of the street, someone who’s probably less fortunate and I’ll always give money. I’ve driven down the road before and saw a lady at the bus stop and offered them a lift, I’m always that sort of person that would go out and help others and say God will pay you back in other ways, that’s just being me, but like I said it’s all about you, your family background, and where you’ve come from, and my mums always been a sort of person that’s helped me and I’ve probably followed that way.

E: Nice, do you think you’d be like that regardless of whether you thought God would pay you back?
J: That’s just my nature to be fair, but it’s a nice, I’m not saying pay me back with money, I just know when something happens to me, like I might lose something and I’ll be like “oh my gosh” and then somebodies handed in my phone, then I think “oh my gosh, I’ve done a good deed today and this is god paying me back,” that’s how I think honestly, and my children are always like “mum your always saying that” and I said no just do things with a good heart. Some people do things with a heavy heart, and be like “I’ve always done this for them…” They might do things, but not do it with a good heart but I’ve always done things with a good heart.

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Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Alphonso Hunter
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Alphonso

Emma: Okay, so a really brief intro of you. It can be anything…
Alphonso: My name is Alphonso. I’m 62 years old. I’ve always been a keen sportsperson, but my body can’t take it anymore but my mind still goes you know what I mean… I’ve always been a very quiet, a shy person really. I’m a musician and that kind of helps me in dealing with a number of situations because I’m expressing myself through music rather than talking. I never talk. I didn’t even speak at my wedding, I didn’t say a word, haha.

E: In terms of music as an expression and outlet, when did you find it
in your life?
A: I’ve always had music and I think that comes from church. It’s from [a young age] and the church songs, they are in your ear and it kind of helps you. An example is a lot of people, especially Caribbean African and Caribbean people, music has always been… I mean, I don’t say that music isn’t for anybody, but for African Caribbean people, expression is through music or your church. Especially in church, is it very important you know. So all those church songs are kind of locked in your ear and over the years you’re kind of developing an ear for music without properly even knowing. So from an early age, you’re learning and understanding music, so I started… somebody told me, 13 or 14 years ago, just to play a little bit and then I can teach myself. And for years I can play the guitar but it’s not been a main interest, it’s only when I reached the age of 50 that I took up the saxophone and since then it’s kind of directed me into the deeper part of music, into music as a language. Do you know what I mean? And one of the things I like doing is teaching, to break down the music, break down that language, and simplify it for other people, like yourself, so that they can not be frightened to learn something. If I can show my vulnerability in everything, then people know they can too. So I like doing that, I love teaching music and I love learning music. So I spend most of my time doing that but… erm, am I talking too much?

E: No…
A: Also I used to draw and express myself through drawings years ago. I can’t draw now because maybe the interest is gone, do you know what I mean?

E: Yeah
A: I’ve been told [by] my people that I am multi talented but I’ve never believed it until recently, which is probably too late! I do many things but I’m only just now having the belief in myself… I’m not afraid to say, ‘yes, I am talented, and I’m also willing to learn’, you know what I mean. I learn from anyone, I learn from a child if they teach me. So that’s my kind of attitude. I’m not shy when one-to-one, but in a group, I can’t talk. Actually the first time I ever played the saxophone was at Pam’s 50th, is that relevant?

E: Yeah
A: Pam’s 50th, and I had to take tablets. I had to contact the doctors and take beta-blockers to slow down my heart rate because I couldn’t breathe. So people see me and think he can go on stage and play, but don’t realise I’ve never spoken. I’ve played at most of the major funerals and many places, and never ever said one a single word to another person.

E: Have you found that teaching made you speak more in a way?
A: No, not the teaching because on a one-to-one I can speak and I can express myself. I’m not frightened to express myself in a one-to-one. But in a group setting, I become anxious and the only time that the coach comes is if I’m angry. If you upset me, I’ll tell anybody… it’s a bit like the hulk. If I’m angry, I don’t care. I’ll always speak my mind, you know, unless you threaten me with physical violence. I’m not afraid of anyone verbally, because I can say this is what I believe, and if that’s not what you believe, I would never try to change your choice. I’m not against anybody else’s choice but don’t tell me or try to take away my choice. In someways, I’m confident and assured, and in others I’m childlike.

E: What does health mean to you? What does the word mean to you?
A: To me, I’ve learnt recently I’m not ashamed of mental health because I think I definitely suffer from mental health in many ways. I think I can diagnose most of it myself but obviously you have to tell me, you know. I’ve had that anxiety for so many years and it’s affected me in many ways in terms of career and I didn’t really go to school very much. I went to University as a mature student, when I was 30, and so I had to learn… you know, it’s like starting from the beginning, and whilst I have a degree in something, I struggled to fill in forms, even to fill in the form to sign in to come in here is a problem. I recognise there is problems, theres things throughout my life which cause me to be like that… like shy… so I recognise mental health in different forms with different people. Some are extreme and you can see it clearly, and some maybe just [have] anxiety problems or certain things that [make] their thinking ability unclear. So mental health is really kind of important to me. Physical health is important too. I’m diabetic. Nearly 4 years ago I discovered [it], and for the first year and a half I was having 3 injections a day cause they thought it was Type 1, and then they realised I was Type 2, so it’s not as bad but I still have to think about it. I have thought about prostate, especially with black people… I don’t have those kind of issues but proudly stand up and say, that’s no stigma, that’s just health. But it’s stigma to many people especially many male African Caribbean people who think that breaks down their macho image or whatever. I don’t have that kind of problem, I’m somebody who is very much in tune with their feminine side. Sometimes I catch myself talking and then I laugh because I realise to a great extent that I’m effeminate, haha. But I’m heterosexual, haha, and anybody that knows me, would know that, but I’m not ashamed of expressing, not afraid of crying or showing emotion.

E: Yeah…
A: I’m not afraid of those things, because the other side to me… I’m not afraid of the other aspect… I’m not somebody that people bully, or whatever, so I don’t need to prove anything to anyone. I can be vulnerable, and if you take that as weakness, I can stand up for myself. But I kind of realise that a lot of people can’t do that. A lot of people come with stigmas and labels and bullies. Not many people properly recognise that feminine side, but they won’t take the chance of telling me or attacking me on that basis because I’m strong enough to fight. But there’s some people who can’t… I’m just saying that I have a bigger understanding of people and their feelings and put that into context with mental health. Do you know what I mean?

E: That’s wonderful, thank you very much.
A: I’m 62 now. When I was 21, I had my own gambling house. A gambling house is a gambling house, but in the heart of what we call the ghetto, you’re talking about villains. And I’m only 21 and I had my own gambling house… and even then [I was listening to] classical music and soft balance stuff. I remember one particular guy coming in and criticising, trying to challenge my culture because I was listening to The Carpenters. I remember that ‘oh you think you’re white, you think you’re white’… but my response was to tell him a few words. I met his sarcastic aggression with aggression… so I was able to do that to an extent, so I could be different and stand up for myself and say I don’t care. I’m Jamaican, and I don’t like reggae music because you tell me to like reggae music. I like it if I like it! So I’m not one that you can tell what to like. I don’t conform to what anybody expects from me and if there is anything about me then I’m proud of, [it] is that I won’t conform to what you expect. I’ll be who I want. Unless you threaten me with physical violence, and if I’m frightened, I might divert, but other than that, you know, I won’t stand for things like bullying, certain homophobic behaviours and oppressive behaviours and things like that. I’m not trying to make myself a hero, but I totally hate that in anybody. It’s not to say I haven’t been oppressive myself. I have been without even realising, but as an adult now, I couldn’t ever justify it. So I suppose that in a sense, when people see people like me, vulnerable and… cause people that know me, know that I’ve got mental health and I don’t care. I don’t know if it helps somebody, cause I don’t mind being used that way. Call me what you want! So I’m weak in many ways, but in some ways I’m pretty strong. So that’s why I was interested in what you’re doing… if it makes sense I’ll go along with it. I don’t need fame… that’s not my thing.

Eye opening with Alvin

Eye opening
Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Model: Alvin Jarvis
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Alvin

Emma: So if you could introduce yourself… just your first name and then something about yourself that’s important to you…
Alvin: Okay, so my name’s Alvin Jarvis and I work for Leicester City Council. I play football in my spare time. I’m an international football player for Antigua, so I travel to Antigua quite a lot to play football over there. That’s really about it!

E: Nice, that’s cool. Cool. So football, big love?
A: Big love!

E: Since forever?
A: Yeah, I probably started playing football when I was about 3 or 4. I’ve always played football, always loved football. I’m a keen sportsman, I used to play cricket as well and tennis. Yeah, I love sports!

E: Why do you love sports?
A: Why do I love sports? I don’t know to be honest. [I think the] enjoyment of running around, camaraderie with my team mates. I do like that part of… banter with my team mates. I think that’s about it.

E: It’s a community isn’t it. Okay cool, so I’ll go straight in, so what is health to you?
A: What is health to me? Health to me… as I play football a lot, health is important to me. I eat well, drink lots of water, I eat good, I eat very well to be fair and being healthy helps me perform on the field when I’m playing football or when I’m doing other sports as well as I’m a keen tennis player as well. So health is very important to me.

E: And what’s your understanding of health as a whole? … In terms of every aspect of health, our bodies and our minds, why does it matter? Why does health matter?
A: Why does health matter? Health matters because … if I’m unhealthy, I wouldn’t be able to run; I wouldn’t be able to last running around on the field. Being healthy, as in preventing from getting injured… if I was unwell mentally, that would hinder my performance on the field. If I was unhealthy physically, that would prevent me from doing certain things on the fields as well so health is a must with what I do so it helps my performance and things like that really.

E: Alright so you’ve talked a little bit about your body and keeping yourself physically healthy, but how do you keep yourself mentally healthy, what do you do?
A: What do I do? Honestly, I’m not sure!

E: I tend to go outside! I need outside time, book time, reading time, those kind of things.
A: Okay yeah those I do. Well to be honest, I have a young child. She’s 9 now so we do a lot of stuff together, swimming etc. We do that every Saturday morning to be honest. I can’t think of anything [else] right now.

E: Is that something you think is important for you? Like spending time with your family and doing things? Like you say the camaraderie of the sport is actually the key thing about it so is that good for your mind as well?
A: Oh yes, oh yes, definitely! Yeah the camaraderie, my friends and stuff like that when I’m playing football or in a sports environment is very beneficial for myself mentally. It helps relieve pressure. It also gives me a release as well. If I’ve got problems maybe outside of football or outside of work and I want to vent, that’s another thing I enjoy as well. Venting, playing football and running around, and getting my aggression out as well.

E: So it terms of your life and all your experiences of different people and places, is there anything really sticks in your mind that you’ve kind of learnt about health as a subject through your experiences of others or your own understanding of what’s going on? I feel there’s certain key people who made me more empathetic or made me understand certain things, or like certain places and cultures and a different way of being.
A: Some of the things that I’ve experienced [through] travelling with football and stuff… like I’ve been to the Caribbean when I was playing football and was in the Caribbean for a couple of months where life over there is totally different to England. When I was in Antigua [in] 2012…
I ended up playing football in Antigua… I had never seen how the way of life over there is totally different to England, and like, some people live in huts
and stuff like that which was quite an eye opening experience.
People with no shoes etc., and I’m living in England and I’ve got so much compared to people over there. It was an eye opening experience.

E: Do you have an opinion on the difference?
A: Do I have an opinion on the difference? Yeah, the differences that I experienced over there… ‘cause a lot of family are from over there as well… I stayed with one of my aunties over there and having to stay in, I wouldn’t say it was a very nice house, but it was an experience in itself just having to go out because [there was] no running water etc., we’d have to collect water etc. Things like that are totally different compared to England… showering outside etc. It was a totally different experience to being in England where you’ve got running water all the time so dealing with that mentally is very different.

E: Did it make you appreciate things?
A: It makes me appreciate quite a lot. Having experienced that for quite a few months and [then] coming back to England, it made me appreciate a lot.

E: So… [it’s a] massive huge impact on your life, having a child. Is there anything in terms of her learning and her growing, and anything you’d want her to live like, understand, or appreciate? Or anything you’d want to pass onto her that you just think ‘this is my kind of advice for you’?
A: I took my daughter last year for the first time to Antigua. We went there for 6 weeks and I showed her quite a lot of what we did and what Antigua was like in emancipation, because we went for the carnival [to show] her why we do carnival. The emancipation etc… it made her understand why. We’ve been to carnival a few times here in England and giving her reason why they celebrate carnival – obligation and slavery etc. was an eye opener for her. She’s a keen dancer as well so I just hope she can appreciate what she’s got here in England, from what she’s seen in Antigua.

E: You as a person, how would you describe yourself?
A: How would I describe myself?

E: Like personality wise…
A: Personality wise, I’m a happy-go-lucky chap, always smiling, always happy. People always ask me all the time why are you always smiling and I dunno, probably maybe because of the experiences I’ve had in life. I’m just happy to be here, to be happy. I love my sports. That’s probably about it, I’m a happy-go-lucky guy who loves sports!

E: That’s cool, that’s your thing, you’ve found your thing! You can’t even imagine a life without sports can you?
A: No

E: Haha
A: Definitely not!

Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Catherine Webb
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Catherine

Emma: Introduce yourself if you can…
Catherine: Ok my name is Catherine and I’m a single mum.

E: Ok, can you tell me about what health means to you?
C: Well, nine years ago I was diagnosed with mental health and then I’ve been battling it ever since.

E: In terms of your experience with things and it being a battle, are there any key things that you discovered during this time? Is there anything that really stands out to you… such as advice… that you’ve given yourself over the time?
C: Okay, I take each day as it comes. It’s very difficult at the moment because my son died last year and it’s really hard. I think about him everyday and yeah, its really hard.

E: It’s really hard. Do you think we talk about people passing and life enough and all subjects around people dying? Do you think there’s enough spoken about…
C: No I don’t think its spoken about enough. And that’s the reason why I’m having counselling at the moment so I can talk about it.

E: I wonder how we bring that conversation into community more because we all have to deal with it. It’s part of life.
C: Yeah

E: It’s the reason we’re alive because we won’t be alive! It’s weird that we don’t talk about it more and the missing of people.
C: Yeah that’s right.

E: In terms of your kind of feelings towards health… why does health matter?
C: It matters because one in four people are affected by mental health throughout their lifetime. It’s a widespread thing and needs a lot of… understanding.

E: I always think about empathy when you experience things and how much more empathetic you become to everything…
C: Yes that’s right, yeah.

E: Do you feel like there’s anything that you kind of learnt and picked up upon?
C: What can I say… no, I can’t think of anything.

E: That’s fine. In terms of the support you get, what is support to you? What’s a good support?
C: Good support is your family understanding you and your friends that are close friends. I have a psychiatrist, a community psychiatric nurse, but I only see them once in a while. It’s finding the network of family and friends who will help support you.

E: In terms of the time you spend with people and how you spend your time, what do you do? What do you get up to?
C: I work over the road at the African Caribbean WIFCP senior citizens project and then Mondays I work at a church doing outreach in the community for people who haven’t got enough money for food. We’d feed them and give them sleeping bags, whatever. It’s not always homeless but it is mostly homeless.

E: Amazing. And like the people around you and that network, are they in work? Are they friends?
C: No, no they not from work.

E: So they’re friends. And what do you do with them? What’s your social?
C: Go for a meal, sometimes we just have a cup of tea.

E: Have you got any kind of hobbies or things you love to do?
C: I love walking and I like reading… yeah, those two things!

E: What do you read? What kind of things do you read?
C: Anything really! At the moment I’m reading self-help guides because they seem to be helping me, so that’s what I read.

E: And what’s your kind of ideal walk?
C: Just round my area, round there.

E: I’m just trying to think of anything else. For me it’s very visual, so I aways think about your life, and [I] try to see you in your life and what you do. But also playing with descriptions of your experiences and what things feel like, because in a way it’s the unseen… I like to create the unseen. So the thing you can’t see, because you can’t point at an emotion, do you know what I mean?
C: Yeah, yeah.

E: In terms of your day-to-day and how you feel, and obviously you said at the minute it’s really hard, [but] is there anything that gives you quite a lot of comfort? Is there anything that helps? It’s not advice, but something that you go to that helps?
C: Pictures of Issac, my son

E: Yeah, it’s something that brings you close to them. [I’m] trying to think of anything else that could be really useful. Because that is important. I think that’s really nice because I get a feel of where you are at in your life and what you’re about. Would you be happy for me to use a picture of your son and could I paint that?
C: Yeah.

E: Okay, because that might be something that I can look at and how we’d do that. Okay so I’ll have a think about how we’d do that. Does that feel alright?
C: Yeah.

E: I think that’s something important in terms of your story.
C: Yes

E: At the end of the day, we are the other people we know and the people who are important to us. That’s all life is. The network like you say, okay. I think that works… if you’re happy, I’m happy!
C: Yeah that’s fine.

E: Wonderful, yes okay.

Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Nataya Chantese King
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Nataya

Emma: Can you introduce yourself… it can just be [about] you in general as a person, just a bit about you. So your first name and then where you live or your age or what you do or anything at all… hobbies or anything?
Nataya: My name’s Nataya and I enjoy reading and writing. I work in a Caribbean food restaurant in town and I like writing stories as well.

E: So what kind of stories do you write? What kind of genre?
N: I write dramas. I wrote a story the other day about a girl who falls in love. At first her lifestyle is perfect, but he starts joining a gang and then involved himself in drugs. And then their house gets raided and she gets arrested for things that are found in her house and stuff. Then it ends up that he’s in prison, but I’ve not finished it yet.

E: What is it about story writing and drama that you really enjoy the most?
N: I just think it appeals to me… ‘cause gangs and stuff just appeal to me. I’m just so interested in it, so I like to write about it and use my imagination to create something new.

E: So what is it that appeals the most? Is it the psychology around why people get into things or what they go through?
N: Yeah, and do you think their life can change? Which I do believe for everyone.

E: So in terms of writing dramas, especially about people and their understanding of different experiences, do you think it gives you a greater understanding imagining what it’s like?
N: Yeah, it gives me a better understanding of why people join gangs and what happens throughout… why they change. What I’m going to say in my story, I’m probably gonna do it where he gets killed or something. Like the guy she fell in love with gets killed, and then other people, like his friends, see like they’re in the same position as he [was] but luckily they’re alive. So maybe if they change their life around, they won’t have a chance of being killed on the streets or something.

E: I know this sounds really stupid, but how do you write it? Do you do it on your laptop?
N: Sometimes pen and paper, but most of the time on my laptop on Microsoft Word.

E: Artistically, we’re going to go pen and paper. Yeah we’ve got to go down that route! So obviously [writing is] really important to you. In terms of your story writing, do you get a lot of influence from people around you?
N: Kind of, but I just like watching London documentaries. I used to want to be a prison officer, but then I read stories about prison officers and I didn’t want to do it. But I like watching documentaries and stuff on that.

E: So this [project] is all about health. What does health mean to you?
N: Having good health is like… I know what I mean but I just can’t think of it… like your blood sugars and stuff. You’re fit and you’re healthy!

E: And do you think that’s restricted to just your physical body or is there anything else?
N: No, like mental health as well and stuff like that. But I think health is about yourself… like self love.

E: Nice way of putting it! So why does that matter? Why does health matter?
N: When you get into a relationship, you want a healthy relationship. When you get into a friendship, you want a healthy friendship. Like health matters because it’s one of the main things that you reflect on. Because we’re healthy, that’s why we’re walking and talking! We’re doing all types of things due to health.

E: You [previously] said self love… so what is self love?
N: Like learning how to love yourself before you love anyone else, and being confident in yourself. Being confident and loving yourself. And picking yourself up, because you and nobody else in this world [are] the same, so love yourself, because you’re unique and you’ve got your own special things about you.

E: You mentioned at the beginning [that] you really believe in people being able to change. Has that influenced a lot of how you treat other people?
N: Yeah, because you should treat people how you would like to be treated. Maybe if you can do that, then people will change because you wouldn’t like no one to disrespect you, so therefore don’t go out there and disrespect someone else.

E: I know you’re really fascinated about writing about gang culture and things like that. [Are you interested in] why people get into it or why like what they are trying to fulfill or what they are trying to do?
N: Yeah basically why you get into it and how did it first start… what did they experience or what did they see which made them feel like ‘I would join this gang’ or ‘I would do this’? That type of thing.

E: So what’s [your] career ambitions? Do you have something you want to do?
N: I don’t know. I want to work in a solicitors yeah then I also want to be like a book writer and create my own short films. And be a model as well!

E: Nice and do you think writing keeps you healthy?
N: Yeah, even reading keeps you healthy.

E: Haha, big reader! I like that! In terms of your health and how you see your health, do you make it part of your day-to-day?
N: You don’t! You just kind of take your health for granted. It’s not like… you’d just be sitting down on the bus and be thinking ‘oh yeah, I’m healthy’. You wouldn’t really do that. Well I wouldn’t anyway! I think that people should notice their health more… like notice what you’ve got and why you’ve got it.

E: You’ve given me some really nice ideas and I have a very clear idea of what I can paint on you. I think that’s given me some really nice ideas about you as a person and what you’re thinking and what you’re doing, so that’s really cool!

Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Pamela Campbell-Morris, Desta Parris, Audra Young
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Pamela

Emma: Can you introduce yourself?
Pamela: Ok. So I’m Pamela Campbell-Morris and I’m a Community Development Worker. I love working with the community and engaging with people, and that’s who I am.

E: Is there anything about your personal life… who you are, what you like to do, your family?
P: Ok, I have got two girls, two daughters, and I have got an adopted son. I’ve got five grandchildren and they all live here in Leicester which is fantastic. My work within the community is very varied. I work at the centre for BME health as a Project Assistant; that’s linking grassroot people with private statutory organisations to help them to be involved and engage more. I work also for the West Indian Senior Citizens Project and I’m classed as the older and bolder development worker and that fits me just well, because I have just celebrated my 60th birthday, so I fall very well into that older and bolder category! In general I work in the community raising awareness of the topic of health issues. Health matters to everyone, it’s everybody’s business ranging from mental health, prostate cancer, sickle cell. I am very very passionate about it and ensuring that people’s voices are heard, and in particularly those who are seldom heard.

E: In terms of you as a person and your experiences of health, is there anything through your life which really stands out as moments where you kind of learnt something about health or there [has been] influences in your life about health or anything that you think that has had a big effect on [your] idea of health?
P: Well my idea of health, I mean I have managed a mental health project and I’ve worked with several people whose self-esteem have been very low due to their mental health conditions and so forth because of the stigma that also is a barrier because people don’t feel that they can open up and speak about how they are feeling or even about their condition. What my experience of health is that we would like to normalise it more, so that more and more people can just talk openly about mental health without being judged, not being stigmatised, or anything like that. So its about not judging, so you know I myself have been diagnosed with leukemia, it’s still a part of health but mental health is a big issue within my community and
I would love to see mental health sitting right at the top of the list like a blooming flower, its just blooming, just looking good, feeling good and people can see it and admire it. It’s a condition but you can, you can live with mental health and live a fruitful life.

E: So in terms of of why it matters… is there any kind of things you think, in terms of society and how things are,… [that] would help?
P: As we know, society is very judging as to how people look and also their diagnosis. From my experience I’ve worked with people, I’ve been on the radio with quite a lot and I can recall wanting to take someone with mental health to the radio and straight away he was sort of “what is this person going to do?” So people have got their perceptions of people with mental health. But once people start to understand that mental health, which is going back to what I said “health is everybody’s business” and people begin to realise that… mental health can affect anyone, it’s not something someone has done or whatever, it could be you’ve lost your job, you’ve had a bereavement, it could be postnatal depression, so the amount of people that can be affected from mental health or health in in the wider sense can be varied

E: It’s funny that we, when we say mental health we think of illness, we don’t think of health do we?
P: Absolutely we don’t and what we need to recognise is that everyone [has] got mental health… and there’s physical health. There’s no health without mental health and we need to ensure that people know that, because as we said… whenever people think of mental health they think of someone crazy or so forth. But we’ve got two healths: mental health and physical health, and we should be learning to look after our mental health the same way [that] we look after our physical health, so its that holistic approach where health is concerned.

E: And do you think it’s all intertwined? Do you think the physical health has an effect on your mental health, or vice versa. So is there anything you say, your top advice for people?
P: Oh absolutely. I’m a strong believer in feeling good. Never watch what anyone has to say. I give you my example, when I was diagnosed with mental health and I practice that in my day to day life… if I wake up one morning and I don’t feel good, trust me I’m going to put on my best frock in my wardrobe because I feel that that would uplift you, that would take you out of the low mood. I always say that to people, whenever you’re feeling down, put your best clothes on and go out. One, because if you’re diagnosed with any illness at all and the community out there know that you’re not well, and you’re not looking good, then it gives people the opportunity to say ‘wow I’ve seen Pam and wow she looks awful’. You have to think to yourself, do you want to hear that, what message do you want people to give to you, what would help you. So when I put on my best dress and people see me and say ‘oh where are you going? I’m just going to the fish market. Wow you look fabulous’. That is going to take me out of whatever mood I was feeling before, so looking good, feeling good, outside and inside, is a fantastic way of giving a message across.

E: Do you think we put a lot of pressure on people about appearance? Because it is about, like you say, looking good but is that about expressing yourself?
P: It’s about, as you say, it’s about looking good on the outside, but it’s that feeling that’s inside, radiating through your smiles or whatever, so you could probably see someone and they don’t dress well, as such, because of probably financial or whatever, but their expression, their facial expression is saying a picture and it’s not always in the smile. Peoples eyes, their eyes alone can deliver a message that’s saying something without saying that thing, and I think that is important. The other thing is about people judging people, that you’ve got to look a certain way, and its not just that. It doesn’t matter whether you’re big, whether you’re slim, whether you’re short, whether you’re tall, it’s about you feeling good and some of the times it’s the way you’re feeling and what you’re projecting out to other people can make them feel better, which can come back at you, and it’s that two way thing, it’s that giving and receiving. You’re smiling at me and I’m smiling back at you, you look good, how many people have come up to me and said wow you look good and I know what that makes me feel.

Click for Interview with Desta

Hannah: Can you introduce yourself and anything about you…
Desta: My name is Desta Paris. I’m a mother of two which obviously keeps me quite busy and I’ve got a baby on the way.

H: How old are they?
D: My daughter is seven, she’ll be eight on Christmas Eve. My son’s just turned two… he was two end of May, and my baby is due in September.

H: So we’ll start with, what does health mean to you?
D: For me I feel like health is mentally, emotionally, your wellbeing… being holistically whole in yourself. That’s what health means to me.

H: I like that! Okay so have you had any key parts of your life which have like kind of defined what health is?
D: Key parts to my life that defines health… umm… for me would be, like family members with things health issues [that] kind of make you want to change the way you do certain things. I’ve had family members that have passed away with cancer… my Uncle, my Grandma… in fact two of my Uncles, one had a brain tumour. So that kind of stuff defines health. It’s not just, lets say, being fit and unfit. It’s just the whole lot [that] defines health.

H: So what is good support to you?
D: Good support to me is having that family environment around me.

H: Are there any people that are significant that you’d go to for support?
D: I think my mum. Having that family unit… having my sisters around me, even having my children around me. That’s obviously good support to me.

H: Have you got any significant support in your community?
D: I do feel like there obviously is support within the community. Again that’d be events and things like that. I’ve been to a few events with regards to health. Obviously they’re advising you of things that you can do or places you can go to for support if there [are] any health issues or you’ve got any family members or friends or anything with health issues. Because you do have that… where family don’t want to go and find the support, but you know it’s obviously out there and you can search for support [yourself].

H: So do you have any proactive behaviours yourself that benefit your health?
D: Yeah I do have proactive behaviours that benefit my health. I used to, before I was pregnant, run with military fitness on Victoria park so I was quite active then. My children… ‘cause my two year old runs me ragged! So that’s another way of keeping healthy! And obviously I encourage them to eat healthy… obviously having their 5-a-day. It’s mental as well. So if you’ve got children, you’re showing them the right way obviously with both mental and physical health… that kinda that keeps me going.

H: Sounds good. Okay, so how do you keep your mind healthy? Have you got any hobbies that specifically help in that aspect?
D: I think I keep my mind healthy, again, by looking after my children. They actually keep me sane! I do like to read stuff on my Kindle. I do like to download my books and read on there. I like to take the kids to the park… just a bit of fresh air. And we can go for a little bike rides and walks and swimming. That’s it, and just socialising with family and friends. I love a good movie so any new movies that come out, I guarantee I’ve probably watched them!

Click for Interview with Audra

Hannah: Basically just introduce yourself…
Audra: My name is Audra and I like reading.

H: So what does health mean to you?
A: It means looking after myself, eating healthy and looking after myself.

H: Have you had any key points in your life that have influenced the way that you view health? So that can be [how it’s] personally affected [you], it’s affected other people…
A: Yeah, I suffer from depression and so health matters. I’m alright now, I’m on medication.

H: Why does health matter to you?
A: Because I’ve got to look after my health. If I don’t look after my health, I get sick.

H: Do you do any proactive behaviours to benefit your health?
A: Yeah I go to the gym and do exercise.

H: Okay brilliant, and what is good support to you?
A: Family support.

H: What does that mean to you? Like what kind of family support?
A: We help each other.

H: Are there any key people in your family that you’d go to for help if you were feeling down or having a bad day?
A: Yeah, my son.

H: Can you tell me anything about him? His age? What he does?
A: He’s 30. He went to uni to do his degree and he wants to do a Masters now.

H: Oh that’s good, what did he do his degree in?
A: Business and …erm I can’t remember the other one.

H: Okay that’s cool. So how do you keep your mind healthy?
A: I go out and meet people. I go out to the African Caribbean centre every Monday and that gets me out to meet people. That helps me.

Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Wineeta Joseph
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Wineeta

Emma: If you can introduce yourself, it can be really informal, really laid back, just a bit about yourself, your first name and then anything about you.
Wineeta: My names Wineeta Joseph, I’m 30 years old. I’ve got a child and I do performing arts and work with kids as well.

E: Wonderful, performing arts, what kind?
W: Dance…

E: Dance, nice and what kind of ages of children do you work with…
W: All from small to big, adults, everything.

E: Amazing, what got you into performing arts?
W: I just like dancing, from since I was younger, I’ve always liked dancing and sports, that’s it.

E: What is it about dance?
W: I can express myself, that’s how I express myself, dancing…

E: Nice. In terms of this project, what does health mean to you?
W: It means a lot, you either have good health, or not so good, and quite a lot of my family members, they’ve not got good health, but it’s like different spectrums. Like my grandmother’s got Alzheimer’s, my grandad died of cancer, my older sister died of cancer, my mums not well… So it means a lot. If you ain’t got health, you ain’t got life.

E: And in terms of, you said, why health matters, do you think health is something in the body or is it something else?
W: It’s mind, body, just everything in general, even feeling happy, if you’re not happy, then health, what is health?

E: In terms of dance and expression and having a child, is there anything that you’ve gone through your life and that you think has had a huge impact on your health?
W: Probably having my child but it’s not stopped me from being any healthier… after I first had him, I was unhealthy, but now I’m back to myself, so…

E: And how were you unhealthy? After you had him?
W: It was just laziness… to be honest (laughs) it was just having your first child, being a mother, and just, letting everything go and focus on the child, and that’s it.

E: That’s priorities isn’t it?
W: Yeah (nodding and laughing)

E: In terms of advice for yourself, and for your child in the future, if you were going to say “this is important about your health” what would you say?
W: Don’t be lazy, that’s important about your health, don’t be lazy… And never give up, never give up. Definitely.

E: Do you think you’ve got quite a determined personality?
W: Not really, until recently, I’ve never really been determined, but until recently… I think that with so many people passing away, you only have one life, you have to do as much as you can and do what makes you happy.

E: So what’s changed? It’s made you appreciate –
W: Definitely, appreciate life a lot more (nodding)

E: So in terms of big things, about you, and about who you are, is there anything you’d say is the thing you go to when you need to get healthy? Whether it’s in your head or body?
W: Music… all the time… Music.

E: What kind of music?
W: Any. It just depends on the mood I’m in and what it’s about, there’s a song for it or a music for it…

E: And is it get up and dance type of music?
W: Yep – yeah, it has to be (laughs)

E: What kind of dance do you do?
W: I do… break dancing, tap, modern, jazz, ballet, everything, contemporary, everything.

E: Nice… The idea of the project is very much about your health, and why it matters, would you say there’s a feeling you can ascribe to when you’ve in the place, the shift when you need to get dancing?
W: Erm… Not really… I think it’s mainly when I’m sad…
When I’m sad I need something to express myself, when I can’t talk about it, then that’s how I express it, definitely, so that’s the way it is, when I feel myself getting low, I go, ok, I need to go and do something, that’s what it is…

E: Erm… I’m trying to think, sorry, I’m visualising at the same time which makes it hard to then think about the questions… because I’m like “oh yeah I could do that”, I start to picture things…
W: You’ve already got it in your head (laughs)

E: Yeah… so in terms of influences in your life, is there anybody jumps in your head?
W: My mum, my granddad who’s passed away, that’s it really

E: Why do you think they had such a big impact?
W: I don’t know, my granddad, he was always there like, always, no matter what it was, what it was for, he would always support me, like dancing, sports, everything, that was my granddad. And my mums just like the same, she’s the backbone of everybody, the go to.

E: Is that what you’d like to be for your son?
W: Yeah, obviously…

E: Errr… I’m just trying to think if there’s anything else specific… I’ve got ideas already…
W: Yeah, I can see it working, your like me…

E: Yeah, it whirls in your head…
W: When you hear something in the dance school, your like “oh yeah I can do this – this – or this” I could see it working in your head, the whole thing (laughs)

E: Yep, picturing it… Is that how it kind of works then, you listen to the music and then you’re like yeah…
W: Or you see a scenario, or somebody talks to you, and like again, you can do this, this or this, and it will express exactly what they’ve just said. Like you said, I was talking to you and I could see it working in your head

E: The cogs are turning, yep… Erm… What do you think about society and how we treat everything?
W: I think that… people think it’s more equal than it really is, people sugar coat things and say it’s equal, it’s not really. Even the kids that are younger than us, it really isn’t that equal and I think they’ve got it harder than we had it. There’s so many different aspects of everything in society, there’s just so much, so many different things… I don’t think it’s getting better, I think it’s getting worse…

E: Do you think that’s something to do with the amount of people?
W: Yeah, that’s why I said there’s too much different things, so many there, everybody’s got their own opinion, or their own way they look at things, and it just adds to the fire…

E: Hmmm… Do you think that has an effect on our health?
W: Definitely, sometimes your upset, your angry, sometimes you’ve not got the time to do the things you need to do to keep yourself healthy, or there’s people that can’t eat healthy, or can’t even look after themself, so, definitely…

E: Hmmm….
W: (Laughs)

E: Any cures for anything?
W: I don’t know about that… I can say people can be more understanding, but that don’t mean it’s going to happen… It’s that simple, people could be more understanding and care about everybody and how they feel, but I don’t see that happening very often so… Or always, help where you can, like me, ‘cause I’m always helping people where I can and everybody says “you help too much” but if you don’t help that much then what you gonna do, who else is going to do it?

E: Is there anything else that represents you?
W: I’m just thinking of an artistic aspect on a person. Well I like white tigers, they are my favourite.

E: Nice! Why?
W: Why? Because they’re fierce, but they look very calm and collected. But they’re fierce, like me. It describes me.

E: Nice. Ok, noted!
W: And you can blend in with everything.

E: Is that what you aim to do? Blend in?
W: I like to camouflage myself when I need to. When I don’t, I can be myself.

E: Do you feel like you are yourself most of the time, or do you feel like you have to act a certain way and then be yourself at certain times?
W: I’m myself most of the time. There’s different ways I act, but I’m myself most of the time.

E: Okay, so many ideas… so many ideas now!

Once the music starts
Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Ruth David
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Ruth

Emma: If you could just like introduce who you are. It can be anything, like your name and where you’re based. Where you live and if you’re a mother or whatever is important to you…
Ruth: Right. So do we start now?

E: Yeah…
R: Well [just] my name and then who I am and where I live?

E: Whatever you want…
R: I’m Ruth, I’m a mother of a son and I’ve been living in Leicester for the past 40 odd years… do I have to say I’m a South African Caribbean?

E: Whatever you want to say…
R: Lets see… Hi I’m Ruth. I’m a retired nurse. I’m a mother and I’m involved in the community with different organisations. I love music, dancing, meeting people, which is socialising and for just amusement.

E: Wonderful!
R: How does that sound?

E: Yeah wonderful.
R: Your sort of thing right?

E: Yeah, don’t worry! What does health mean to you?
R: Oh well, health is very important. Mental health is a big thing. Mental health is important and I think it should be taken seriously but there’s a stigma behind it. But sometimes normal people are… well you can say this might sound ridiculous but they’re more danger to the public than mental health people because they can be controlled. There are other people out there that might not, you know, be so controlled with medication. Sorry but its true.

E: [This project is] about health matters, so why is health important?
R: Health matters because it’s important to us in this day with diabetes and blood pressure. We have to sort of take precaution for our long life as well… eat healthy so that we can live long lives, and just look after ourselves to live longer and be lucky.

E: Do you think your ideas on health are influenced by you being a nurse?
R: Oh yes. Being a retired nurse, my ideas are very much focused on health ‘cause different people come in with different aliments which could have been avoided by diet and lifestyle.

E: In terms of your experience with mental health… with working in nursing, I bet you met lots of different types of people with different backgrounds?
R: Well not really mental you know. More general yeah…

E: But you’d experience lots of people so they’re all going to be somewhere on the spectrum aren’t they?
R: Yeah like I said being an ex-nurse, you have worked with different people of different mental abilities, especially elderly people who can get confused. So we have to know how to speak to them, and in Afro-Caribbean people, the older people talk as though they are aggressive but [they’re] not really, it’s just the actions. As well, older people go back to their mother tongue so we might not understand.. people who are not African or Caribbean might not understand what they are saying… so we have to understand and to give them a healthy diet according to their health needs. I mean mental health as well, you know it’s very important that we have advocates, somebody to sort of guide them and to understand what they are saying ‘cause it’s not really their own mind so we have to be very sympathetic and have patience with them.

E: In terms of your life and your experiences, is there anything that really stands out as important things about your health and why it was so important to you and for your life? Is there anything with your children or family?
R: With some people with mental health, you know, I’m very sympathetic with them because as I said it’s not their own mind. You need to just guide them, you know, and just understand.

E: In terms of you as a person, is there anything about yourself or your kind of empathy…
R: My health is important because I’ve got health problems, such as blood pressure, so I’ve got to be… very careful with what I eat,… have a healthy diet if that made sense.

E: I’d love to know more about you ‘cause you said you loved music and dancing. How important are they to you, does that affect your health, like, do you need to do these things?
R: Well yeah dancing and music help me to keep fit and help to keep my weight down which is part of health as well. Being obese is not really good for your health so with music and dancing help to keep in shape.

E: Do you think it’s good for your feelings as well?
R: Well oh yes… the music starts my adrenaline.
I take part in carnivals and even though I’m not feeling very well and I’m in a bit of pain, once the music starts, you know, the pain has gone and so I feel better in myself.

E: So do you take part in any other part of the carnival as a whole?
R: Yeah well I take part in carnivals on the road… it gets me going as well, as you feel all your worries and everything go. When you’re dancing on the street, you just let go!

E: That’s awesome! Have you had to give any advice to anybody about their health over time?
R: Yes because as I say, being a retired nurse, we have patients that we need to speak to in regards to their health, because if they come in and there’s something wrong, like their blood sugar’s a bit high, we’d advise them to go to the doctors… if their blood pressure is a bit high as well, we advise them to see their GP.

E: Lovely, I think that’s pretty much it! It’s just to get an idea of your ideas about health and why its important and why it matters, so that’s pretty good.
R: What do you think? I’m not a good speaker

E: You did very well, I think you worry too much.
R: You’ve got something that you want?

E: Yes, yes it’s good. Really good. If you’re happy, I’m happy!
R: If you’re happy, because I don’t think I did that well! Haha.

E: Why?
R: I don’t know my ideas on health! I don’t know what it is… what health is… but it’s eating healthy, to cut down on sugars and salts… because we live longer if our blood pressure and blood sugar is lower. It can cause all sorts of things, like blood pressure can cause heart problems as well as diabetes which can cause strokes. So eating the right food and doing the right things, exercise and everything, would sort of help to make you a bit healthier. Live a bit longer by eating healthy and exercise.

E: The basics! That’s fine, you did wonderful.

Go Down that Road
Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Howard Morris
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Click for Interview with Howard

Emma: If you can introduce who you are
Howard: Ok… My names Howard Morris, aged 59

E: Cool, and what do you do?
H: At present I work as a maintenance fitter

E: Uhuh, cool, erm, in terms of like, you as a person, is there anything else you would describe yourself like? A lot of people would say if they have children, or where they live or things that are important to them
H: Oh… ok… ok… I have two daughters… erm… and 5 grandchildren… which 3 are boys and 2 are girls

E: Lovely, erm, in terms of like your… ‘cause the whole projects about wellbeing and why it matters and erm… what would you describe as wellbeing, what would you describe it as?
H: To me… well being to me is that, because from a young age I’ve always been into sports, and up till now, I’m still doing sports, you know so, it keeps me very active, you know, keeps me flexible, and I do think, in a sense it does keep me fairly healthy, you know… erm… I’ve always done Karate, football, I’m into cycling now and started to play table tennis. So you know, for me, that’s wellbeing.

E: Being active… erm… do you see wellbeing as something just physical or other as well?
H: I would say, being others as well, you know because erm… your minds… eh… your thinking different when your more active. Instead of feeling low or down in anything, to me once I do sports, I’m different because I just totally enjoy it… it’s just a different feeling completely.

E: Erm, in terms of through your life, has it always been sports that has kept you well, or do you think other things have come along, or any advice you –
H: Always sports, always sports, you know I’ve always done sports, nothing else, because I just totally enjoy it.

E: Fantastic, and is there any other part of it, other than being active that you really enjoy, is like team work and working with people, socially?
H: It’s team work and socially because you know at the end of the day, you know when we meet up with your friends, we do have a good laugh, take the mickey out of each other, but then we go away and then you know, were still friends, and you know it’s a big part of socialising as well…

E: Through your life has there been anyone you’ve come across that I guess think about wellbeing as erm and health, is there anybody that stands out in your mind that you’ve learnt lessons from because they aren’t healthy or you think why you can see in society why we are as we are
H: Yeah I think so because obviously people that work you think to yourself people younger than me who tend to have beer belly because a- they probably drink too much and not doing any sort of activity and you know I look at them and think really I wouldn’t want to go down that road
everybody is got their own choice but when I look at certain things like that I think to myself erm not for me, hence why I’ve always done sports you know

E: Does it keep you do you think very positive person because of it
H: Oh definitely yeah very positive. You know like I said I’m 59 and I’m still agile and alert you know and when I look at guys my age at work you can tell and see the difference who actually do something active and who don’t because they tend to be more sluggish

E: Yeah
H: But then that’s everybody’s choice really

E: And in terms of erm why it matters so much why our health matters so much, what do you think is the most important thing to why it matters so much?
H: To me its I can still run after my grandkids and enjoy playing with my grandkids you know so that right now is important because I’m playing with them, kicking the ball and chasing them and having fun

E: Beautiful, lovely, fantastic. Okay lovely erm is there any reasons your involved in the project why you’re interested in the project
H: Haha

E: It’s quite a hard one Pamela asked
H: well yeah she is my wife

E: Ahhh okay shes sneaking you in I get it now. So you do photography as well?
H: Well it’s a bit of a hobby because at the end of the day I’m looking to want to retire work early, I don’t want to really work until I’m 65. So hence why I’m trying to take up some activity to keep me active ‘cause worst thing to do is finish work and have nothing to do. So that is a bit of a side hobby which when I do finish work and want to go for a walk somewhere which again is keeping healthy I can just jump in the car and just go off and take some pictures. Hopefully meet up with a group of people because I really want to join a club and I’ve got another friend whose gone into it so it’s a different avenue to take again.

ButterflyButterfly finished

Concept design and Artwork: Emma Fay
Models: Anaya and Raijinay
Photographer: David Wilson Clarke

Emma: What does health mean to you?
Anaya: Eat well and exercise otherwise you will be poorly
Raijanay: Looking beautiful and bright like a butterfly